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Question of the Day 4/16/13

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When a christian terrorist bombs an abortion clinic or mentally abuses their kids by telling them science is against god, other christians say, "oh, those aren't REAL christians."
Much like when a muslim flies into a building or blows up a business, there any many muslims who say, "Oh those aren't REAL muslims."
However, if you spoke to these terrorist type christians & muslims, they would say that those claiming they are not real christians and muslims, are not REAL christians or muslims.
Could this be the very fundamental problem with religion?
Is this even religion? Or just several bastardizations of what was once considered religion?


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It is totally a blame game. I think religion has been very corrupted and people have different interpretations of how they think their religion should be...carried out. I think why people (including me) say that they are not REAL _______ (insert religion here x) is because it is hard to believe that your religion is not uniform. Not everyone is going to have the same beliefs even when it seems like you are supposed to and just because they are different they are not REAL. 

It is also a way to defend your religion so it doesn't get a bad name, but everything has a flaw that people like to pick out. 

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Religion is basically to answer why we are here. In addition it tries to keep people with good morals even though the world is doing the opposite. These morals are here kinda as a control also. I see  a lot of it being corrupted control for people that have nothing other to do but follow what they say. So the churches can say everything is wrong but end up doing it themselves anyway, but then defend it so they don't seem like hypocrites  When they say something or something isn't real *insert religion* they are trying to defend themselves or other people to keep a good name. That is what I think, I don't believe in any divine being not necessarily for these reasons; just find all of the religions hard to believe.

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So here's my spin on religion. I figure it started out as a means of bonding a people and of controlling a people. While certain judeo-christian morals are well and good, certainly some (unclean animals from the old testament, clothing of more than one type of material, subservient women, homosexuality) could be argued as necessary for tribal communities, but not necessarily relevant to today's more cultivated societies.

 

I don't think the chasms between sects and offshoots is the fundamental problem with religion, I think that religion is by it's nature a tradition which is reluctant to change.

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Check out "binary opposition." Its a literary term used to describe two fundemental opposites. Basically there cannot be good without evil. Defining what is good is a product of one's perspective of the argument. I think good is most is defined by societal norms. Since its not normal to blow up buildings in the name of God or Allah, I think there be one side of the argument you presented that is in denial of their role as evil. Religion doesn't have to be as complicated as it is often presented.
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Religion was created as a social regulation.  At the time it was not even considered religion in the sense that we think of today.

The Ancient Egyptians for example had a system of checks and balances called Ma'at.  The gods would tell the Pharoah what needed to be done and if the population did not comply, they might disrupt Ma'at.  Whenever there was a flood, earthquake, or even a loss in battle, they could place the blame on someone that was not maintaining Ma'at.

If the Pharoah had told 2,000 people to build a temple, but 10 people did not comply and then the temple collapsed killing 5 people.  The 10 people that did not comply could be held responsible for not maintaining Ma'at.  Worse yet, they might be executed as an example to the rest of their society and to reinforce the importance of Ma'at.

Signed....

Ma'at Stump ;)

P.S. I am a HIstorian, so rest assured I speak truth. 

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Honestly, if you look at history and religion objectively, all religion does is set up a culture. Once that culture is set, religion is realy no longer needed unless it has been severely integrated into that culture. Which is not the case here. Here it is just a bunch of ignorant bitches who want their lives controlled by some "upper power"

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Religion is religion.  Its fundamental definition is a belief system organized around paranormal deities.  Beyond that, the only 'fundamental problem' is humanity.  A religion could even be correct, but the religion itself is irrelevant in this issue, people would fuck shit up anyways.  Because that's what some people do.  Bombing, killing, terrorism, it's not about religion, the religion just happens to be the factor that the blame fell on this time.  But most of the time people don't kill over religion, and most killers are killing for a reason other than religion.  So religion isn't the problem, even if it's wrong.  The problem is us.

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The only fundamental problem with religion is the "human" aspect. Even those without religion blow people up. It's very easy to criticize those who say they're doing it with "pure" motives when you can easily judge that they are not pure. 

 

Also, if a crazy person tells me he is a monkey I'm not gonna start redefining what makes a monkey a monkey. I'm gonna say this guy is crazy and is not a monkey. Same goes for those that claim to be of a certain religion. That religion is defined a certain way and can't just be redefined by a few crazy people.

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okay this is simple as fuck:

the christian example: i sorta know the bible and a lot about the religion. Jesus, as the son of god, never talked bad about science.  a lot of christians in the middle ages though science was a kind of witchcraft, and there came the inquisition and the christians fanatics. sadly some people still think the same about science right now.

muslim example: suppose a muslim blows up a building. usually the main reason is because "theyre doing god's will" BULL SHIT. i dont know the Coran but i know a lot of muslims and i've asked them the same question, and the response was always this: "in the holy book of the coran, god never justifies the killing of the innocent." there ya go

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he·ret·i·cal  (hschwa.gif-rebreve.giftprime.gifibreve.gif-kschwa.gifl)

adj.
1. Of or relating to heresy or heretics.
2. Characterized by, revealing, or approaching departure from established beliefs or standards.

 

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Anyone who uses the word religion to place themselves in a "box" with millions of others, is essentially saying there are only so many personality types in the world. Religion simply describes the basic beliefs of a given set of people. No one is without defect in thought or action, regardless of their beliefs or what "box" they place themselves in. Since every living brain works differently in concluding their thoughts, a Christian or Muslim does what he/she thinks is best. We all fall short of perfection. We have no right to judge any single act, since we have no clue as to what information went into a decision of another. Christians know that they don't get into Heaven by their works or accomplishments, simply their belief in the deity of Christ is all that is required. I can't speak for other religions, but I DO know we better not judge others as we will then be judged by Christ. I believe that doctors performing abortions are murderers for convenience. I believe (without hurting people physically), all places condoning abortion should be destroyed and treated with the same respect one might show Auschwitz. I can only pray for mercy on the doctors performing the procedure. I happen to think my God would consider the termination of abortionists heroic. The abortionists are still welcome in Heaven if they believe in the deity of Christ and that he rose from the grave defeating death, stop doing their abortions, and repent, stopping their murderous acts.  We all have one God.  The only thing separating our "religions" is the prophets.  My profit Jesus Christ was God in the flesh who walked ON the earth.  All other religions simply follow the teachings of men mostly of great wisdom, but simply men, not gods.  Christianity does not oppose science, it supports it and so does the Bile.

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Everyone always seem to blame religion when it's just the few individuals who bastardize it. The big difference is when an idiot uses Christianity to commit murder or any form of terrorism, there is a majority who rightfully alienate them. However, with Muslims, they seem to do the same, then defend them when the authorities want to track the negative element.

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